Amelia Delgado added an answer
Very interesting discussion about a concept which should be straightforward for the sake of humanity. firstly a concept calls for consensus. Currently sustainability is clearly defined and linked to the SGDs (see UN documentation). yet some of the views herein presented seem more or less biased. e.g. “So I think "sustainability" is a just a buzzword that decision-makers use to excuse just any politics they want to put forward (good or bad). The word itself is often used just as a decoration, without any true meaning. In this situation it makes little sense to define the word properly....” - at least the SDG related to responsible production and consumption is disregarded, as is the first 2R on REDUCE-REUSE and Recycle (at last); WE CANNOT afford business as usually, it is not sustainable- that means this way, our constructs (beliefs) will not perdure much longer over reality. green industrial policies and climate action is urgent .... global efforts on innovative solutions 💪 (a better utopia than insisting on business as usual, as dreams are better than nightmare, and humanity has advanced in pursuing dreams
Thomas Wayburn added an answer
Good for you. You understand. The SDGs are absurd. They manage to sound wonderful but pin nobody down to anything by avoiding quantities. Moreover, they do not require de-growth of populations or de-growth of economies of the rich nations. Further they do not require an end to capitalism, which is your point. The 'manifesto', which conjures up the old left, most assuredly will demand political change. But it is precisely political change that I proved is necessary to achieve sustainability. Cutler Cleveland excluded me from the encyclopedia of Earth because I was "too ideological" without realizing that not to be ideological is to be ideological. Yes, there are no such claims that political change is essential to make ERoEI* greater or equal to 1.0. But, it is difficult to see how to raise it to 1.0 or greater any other way.
I believe I have proved that no economy that retains any important feature of capitalism can be sustainable. Perhaps you can prove I am wrong. If not, you will have diligently investigated the issue and found my conclusion correct. The only rational behavior is to get busy with the recommended changes as time is short.
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